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sounds like some to me everyone

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sees right through you okay how about we

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if we go by your theory about the voice

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thing i think the word i think we're all

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that's kevin hart from the movie night

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school talking about the law of

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well maybe that's not what he's talking

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opinion of today's returning guest tim

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grimes and my opinion as well tim is

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calm are definitely must reads but one

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tim back on skeptico was to tie together

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what you've heard from some of our

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former guests like dr doug matsky in his

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here are some clips

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reality is hypnotic

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tell folks what you mean because you're

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and i also have a whole video series

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put all that together

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we suggest things to ourself constantly

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you are not hypnotized by somebody else

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i hope you like this interview that's

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coming up with tim grimes if you like it

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share it tell other people let's keep it

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a secret among all the people we care

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about and we think need to be involved

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this is on the ultimate next level third

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where else are you gonna connect ai

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hopefully we're gonna do it on skeptica

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we're gonna do it you're going to do it

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along with me but you got to jump in

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and join the community here's my

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interview with tim grimes

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex accaris

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and today we welcome tim grimes back to

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tim is the author of the joy of not

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thinking one of my favorite books that

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bunch of other books that you can see on

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anything i sent him to serve by my wild

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survey that throws people off he was

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thank you alex it's uh great to be back

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attraction people are into it's just we

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which i think is terrific i think it's a

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great new option when we really think

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about

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what's out there and how

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you know talking to someone who's gone

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down a path can really be beneficial and

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the books can help but it also helps in

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that way too but now you've ventured

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into this podcasting thing as well and

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the name of it again is law of

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attraction explore it and i was just

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listening to the latest one the latest

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episode and it was fantastic short just

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seven eight minutes

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but i think it kind of jumps us right

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into exactly what you're talking about

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because

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the theme of it was reality is hypnotic

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so maybe you want to just start there

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and and tell folks what you mean because

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you're serious

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yes

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i'm very serious when i say that

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but you're not a serious guy

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and i also have a whole video series

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called stop being serious so you gotta

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put all that together and it can't be an

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intellectual fusion it has to be an

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experiential fusion uh reality is

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hypnotic

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so

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what is interesting about the law of

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attraction when i discuss the law of

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attraction i mean really

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america has this kind of great history

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of kind of like dynamic religious

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reinterpretations and emerson and

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thoreau were you know doing

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transcendentalism and transcendentalism

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and this guy named quimby who was out of

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maine who was a healer

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um inspired from by other previous

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hypnotists

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they kind of created this

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the groundwork for the law of attraction

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even though those phrases weren't used

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but

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a lot of the stuff that i like best

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in this you know in in this mode of

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teaching is just talking talking about

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suggestibility

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and

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most of the great law of attraction

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teachers i like particularly emile cue

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who is my favorite law of attraction

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teacher

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he basically was just saying that we

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hypnotize ourselves we suggest things to

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ourself

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constantly we don't have a choice in the

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matter we're always suggesting things to

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ourselves

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and whatever we suggest and believe is

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what then is going to

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in some form or the other probably

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happen in our life so in other words

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that what we choose to believe

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has a direct

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effect on what happens in our life

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and that is the law of attraction in a

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nutshell and that is

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how in my opinion most type of hypnotism

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really works you are not hypnotized by

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somebody else you hypnotize yourself

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so let's pick up on that last point

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because i didn't think it might be

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helpful to take law of attraction out of

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that for just a second

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because the last point that you landed

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on i think

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i'd like people to attack that directly

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and analyze that and see if that's true

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because i think at the end of the day

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a rational look at that would lead you

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to your conclusion

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that all hypnosis is self-hypnosis

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and someone can guide us towards

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hypnotizing ourself but it really can't

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be otherwise it can't if we think of the

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nature of consciousness

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it is in us and anyone affecting that

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from the outside with these words ideas

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thoughts is

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ultimately directing us towards some

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form of self-hypnosis

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that's kind of undeniable but you're

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pointing it out in a way that we sneaks

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up on us we didn't see it and then

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you're taking it one step further you go

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are you subjecting yourself to a

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hypnotic suggestion that oh you'll

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never get it all done today or oh god

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that son of a i can't believe he did

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that or what a beautiful sunset that

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couldn't be more incredible and more

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inspiring how much do i love

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those people around me

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how am i what kind of self-suggestive

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hypnotic trances are you you know

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expound on that i'm sure you thought a

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lot about this before you put it out

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there because it is a radically simple

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idea which is so much what you're all

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about

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yeah i mean this is the thing

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and i hate to do this but i got to bring

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it back to the law of attraction

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because this is the law of attraction so

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let me back up and or go i guess to what

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i initially said

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when we talk about the law of attraction

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when i say i'm a law of attraction

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teacher i do not mean the law of

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attraction that people are used to

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hearing about okay i can use that term

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because i use it very irreverently i'm

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really talking about some of the great

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primarily american

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uh but you know international teachers

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that sprung out of this transcendental

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movement so emile kuwait

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this is exactly what he talks about emil

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kuwait should you know in a different in

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a different world a parallel world would

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be more famous than freud and for a

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while he was very famous because what he

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said and explained

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is that i am not hypnotizing you

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i am teaching you how to hypnotize

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yourself and what makes kuwait so

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impressive

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is that

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he didn't just talk to talk he walked a

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walk he people would come

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thousands of people literally would come

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to see him every year and most of them

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or a large percentage of them would walk

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away in much better health than they had

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before

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now most modern spiritual healers or

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whatever you want to call it

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don't have that kind of success rate and

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what's amazing is that kuwait said this

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has nothing to do with with religion

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this is not even spiritual this is your

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psychology you are

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suggesting things to yourself and

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unfortunately you are probably

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suggesting the wrong things to yourself

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so that is in my opinion the greatest

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law of attraction teaching of you know

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the last 100 or so years then you've got

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people like joseph murphy who wrote a

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very famous book the power of your

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subconscious mind

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whole book is just about that just about

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how we suggest the wrong things to

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ourselves to our subconscious and how we

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should be suggesting more positive

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things to our subconscious and he gives

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uh

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you know

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dozens of different methods to suggest

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better things to

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ourselves

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so that is

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when i say law of attraction that's what

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i'm talking about i'm not talking about

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the secret and crystals and all that

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other stuff i don't even know about that

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stuff i know there's i know that they're

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trying to connect without what i just

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referenced but the truth of the matter

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is most people these days who are into

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the law of attraction never even heard

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of kuwait

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or or even read the power of your

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subconscious mind even though it's one

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of the more famous books you know in the

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genre

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so

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this is not a unique idea i have

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i've already shared all the unique ideas

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i have in my opinion the joy of not

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thinking stop being serious those ideas

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are much more

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out there than these ideas these ideas

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are just forgotten about

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and that's why i'm doing this podcast

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because

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we're going to actually explore the law

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of attraction we're not going to talk

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about crystals and you know what your

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moon sign is outside and all this other

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stuff that's going on outside of you

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we're going to talk about what's going

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on inside of you

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right now what are you suggesting how do

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you feel you know and and how can i

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suggest and

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be more present so i can suggest more

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positive things to myself how can i

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learn how to do that

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yeah i actually think it fits really

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nicely with your book the joy of not

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thinking which i

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i liked so much because again it kind of

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radically jumps you outside of this

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whole

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mind mess trap that you get into

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i just want to make sure we touch on so

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you know in the little survey i sent you

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i've tried to get to this point of

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consciousness is an illusion to which

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you said yes

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and to which from a non-dual kind of

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yogic way you say yes it's all an

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illusion but there is this other

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element to it that we're enmeshed in in

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this materialistic scientific

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scientism culture neuroscience culture

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which you are meaningless

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you are a biological robot in a

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meaningless universe of there is nothing

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to that voice inside your head so i i i

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think i just want to make sure i mean

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we're standing firmly on that ground

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that

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you know the only thing you know for

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sure is you're in there you know and

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it's not just some biological quirk

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that's just churning out all this stuff

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in some sense that we can't fully define

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there is a you that's in there so the

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whole meaningless thing is

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let me

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give a

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do a little side note here i saw the 60

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minutes thing a couple years ago

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and

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one of the researchers said something

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where they said we've pre pretty much

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and i saw and that was one of the most

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offensive statements i'd ever seen in my

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life when i heard in my life when i

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heard that i said holy these guys

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have no idea what they're talking about

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and um

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meaningless

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meaning

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is a human

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psychological concept right

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most

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you know i don't mean to bash anybody

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but a lot of neuroscientists and people

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talking about like you know your life

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has meaning or no meaning they don't

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know what that

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experientially

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you know if if you talk to people who

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seem deeply spiritual or whatever you

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want to call it they all will say

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there's this

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this depth to life and same with a lot

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of people who have near-death

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experiences as you know there's a

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there's something there

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that is well beyond our normal

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comprehension and i'm not just talking

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about like

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forget our rational comprehension but

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there's just something there that we

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can't even begin

565
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,600
to understand and based on what's my own

566
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,520
life i i

567
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,159
firmly believe that what's there is is

568
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,080
good it's not actually not only is it

569
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,080
good it's ineffably good

570
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,440
it's like you know in the bible when

571
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,799
they say the peace the passive

572
00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:00,799
understanding it's got something to do

573
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,760
with that

574
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,320
so meaningless is really

575
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,400
um i like using stark language like that

576
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,440
sometimes but i feel like um

577
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,440
it misses the point when we're having

578
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,360
this kind of a discussion

579
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:15,280
i agree i think it totally misses the

580
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,039
point i i think whatever would be the

581
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,200
opposite of meaningless right that's

582
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,159
what life is yes yes

583
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,640
you know that what they do there and and

584
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,000
i think there's something very

585
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,480
conspiratorial to this but that's kind

586
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:33,200
of another show for another time but i

587
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,000
think

588
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,480
you know if you want to control somebody

589
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:38,000
convince them that their life is

590
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,159
meaningless makes them a lot lot easier

591
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,960
to control but to suggest the

592
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,480
what they do is kind of a little logic

593
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,240
trick well the mean the universe is

594
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,240
meaningless right we've looked out in

595
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,480
the stars and there's no meaning and

596
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:52,159
these planets are just doing their thing

597
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,520
and these stars are just doing their

598
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:55,919
thing so if there is no meaning in the

599
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,960
universe then tim there can't possibly

600
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,120
be any meaning in your tiny little

601
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,480
minuscule unimportant life

602
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,760
and that's the mind trick that they're

603
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,159
playing and you are like way past that

604
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,360
so

605
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,520
i just wanted to make sure we we touched

606
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,240
on that and and did it and now i want to

607
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,400
kind of return if we can to

608
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,039
another angle of the

609
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,440
law of attraction thing that i'm not

610
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,120
sure that that

611
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,559
a lot of people have thought about i'm

612
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,640
not sure that i really got it until just

613
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,559
recently but you know another person

614
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:30,960
i've interviewed is this

615
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,159
rather amazing person shirley black

616
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:35,840
she's amazing

617
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,880
in a lot of ways but she did experience

618
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,360
three near-death experiences in her life

619
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,799
and the last one almost killed her

620
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,880
head-on collision with a truck that i

621
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,559
mean should have killed her by all

622
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,440
accounts and stuff like that

623
00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:51,679
but as a result of that

624
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:53,720
she has these

625
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,480
psychokinetic powers right

626
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,360
so a lot of people hear of psychokinesis

627
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,840
the ability of the mind to control

628
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,919
things you know and they even have

629
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,440
little devices like these little

630
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,360
pinwheels that are sealed up in these

631
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,120
things where they can kind of do

632
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,280
laboratory testing and i would add here

633
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,880
this is what's important about her she's

634
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,520
been tested at duke she's been tested at

635
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:17,200
the university of virginia a lot of

636
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,400
people don't know that they hear

637
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,559
psychokinesis and they go oh yeah

638
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,960
no man this is stuff that they've taken

639
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,559
into the lab because of course you would

640
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,320
it's an interesting phenomenon you want

641
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,600
to know if it's true if it's real if

642
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,720
it's replicatable it is

643
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:32,880
that kind of in a way that we don't

644
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,600
generally talk about really puts

645
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,440
an end to the debate about law of

646
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:39,120
attraction right

647
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:42,640
into it i mean there is experimental

648
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:47,760
proof scientific proof that your mind is

649
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:51,200
exerting some force on the external if

650
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,320
you will we don't even know what

651
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,000
external internal mean really means

652
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,880
right but it's there so

653
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,600
i just want to throw that out there and

654
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,840
uh just see if you had any thoughts or

655
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,640
comments on that well yeah i mean i

656
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,480
don't i don't know her i'm gonna have to

657
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,400
check out that episode now three

658
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,840
near-death experiences talk about

659
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,240
manifesting some something to get to

660
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,799
that point where you have three holy cow

661
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,080
um

662
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,320
yeah i mean that's

663
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,919
one wonderful thing about the law of

664
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,400
attraction becoming so popular

665
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,240
and i think why i latched on to that

666
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,320
term as opposed to some of the other

667
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,400
terms i perhaps could have you know for

668
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:30,240
instance called this my new podcast i

669
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,679
could have called it something about

670
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:33,679
suggestibility or something like that or

671
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,919
self-hypnosis or something but one

672
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,960
wonderful thing about the law of

673
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,799
attraction being so popular in our

674
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,279
culture is that i do feel like more and

675
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,520
more people are recognizing

676
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,120
like this is not

677
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,720
even though there's a lot of hocus hocus

678
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,720
pocus stuff or whatever

679
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,480
there's some there's something here that

680
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,960
we can't turn back from like

681
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,520
the fat like thought and external

682
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,440
reality are two inner lengths like we

683
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,520
were touching upon to just deny it

684
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,919
anymore you know and there's there's

685
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,600
been too many studies there's been too

686
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:04,799
many

687
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,120
just examples to just deny that

688
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:11,120
it's real the law whatever you want to

689
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,240
call it there's this you know thought

690
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,440
you know they said thoughts create

691
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,120
reality right that might sound kind of

692
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,840
simplistic but without question our

693
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,559
thinking our imagination

694
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:25,279
shapes our lives you know and

695
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:27,039
you know you use the word common sense i

696
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,400
use the word common sense all the time

697
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,559
there's this common sense element about

698
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,799
this once you wrap your head around some

699
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,400
that hopefully more and more people will

700
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,919
recognize you know this is not like

701
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,240
necessarily far out stuff this is far

702
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,480
out stuff in the sense that

703
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,840
you control and are your own master a

704
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,360
lot more than you might have expected

705
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,279
but that's what's far out the fact is

706
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,279
you can do something about yours about

707
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,120
improving your life that's

708
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,039
what's so cool you know and i mean it's

709
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:57,520
really should be used a lot of time

710
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:58,640
on a very

711
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,760
practical basis and that's again what

712
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,559
this is all about in many ways

713
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,600
okay let's talk a little bit about maybe

714
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,679
you could call it the dark side of the

715
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:11,919
law of attraction sure there's plenty of

716
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,830
you know i i appreciate it in your

717
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:20,159
little newsletter email streams that you

718
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,360
send out

719
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,720
you turned me onto something i totally

720
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,600
didn't know and that was that

721
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,159
napoleon hill for those of you in the

722
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,360
name kind of science might sound

723
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,760
familiar you don't place it think and

724
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:34,799
grow rich guy who turned out to be the

725
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:38,000
inspiration for so many of the modern

726
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,039
you know

727
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,600
thinkers of our time my gosh if you go

728
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,039
to any type of

729
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,039
multi-level marketing or any type of

730
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,120
marketing thing he's the number one

731
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,360
he's the grandfather of all that tell us

732
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,240
the truth about napoleon hill because it

733
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,960
kind of gets us into this

734
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,880
little bit of this dark side and this

735
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,320
little bit of you know being able to

736
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,640
call on people and first of all

737
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,400
credit to you for

738
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,600
being willing to share that to people

739
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:06,640
who

740
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,120
thing and you know you're not afraid to

741
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,760
go oh geez here's something

742
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,240
tell us the story

743
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,159
yeah well napoleon hill long story short

744
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,320
it's charlatan through and through i

745
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,909
i first found out about

746
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,760
napoleon hill like you just mentioned

747
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,760
and i hope that you don't you know

748
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:31,679
uh i hope you include everything we just

749
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,159
talked about in there um napoleon hill

750
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,159
has an influence on basically all modern

751
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,840
business advice thinking grow rich is

752
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,880
that

753
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:42,799
famous of a book

754
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,559
and it you know thinking grow rich is a

755
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,240
pretty darn good book in many ways and

756
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:48,159
it inspired a lot of good business books

757
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,029
back i think in 2016 2017 this guy named

758
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,600
matt novak wrote this incredible article

759
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,960
in gizmodo

760
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,039
alex you can maybe link to that the

761
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,600
article and basically

762
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,360
the author had spent

763
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,360
a couple of years trying to track down

764
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,960
napoleon hill's

765
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,520
history his real history

766
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,679
and it just turns out that

767
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,399
one

768
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,320
i say he's a charlatan i mean napoleon

769
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,520
hill

770
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,880
think and grow rich is all about how he

771
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,200
met all these famous incredibly famous

772
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:24,240
people presidents people like edison

773
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,120
uh

774
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,000
you know all these steel magnets

775
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,760
carnegie

776
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,159
he just made all that up

777
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,399
it's all made up and not only the only

778
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,000
guy he met the only guy he met was

779
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,559
edison and he met him at a photo he met

780
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:40,159
him

781
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:41,600
exactly

782
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,960
so if just that alone is crazy i mean it

783
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,840
makes him he's genuinely just like

784
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,760
you know he just made all that up right

785
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,360
and that's what people say just

786
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,039
to this day people like oh you know hill

787
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,360
met all these people profile it's all

788
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,520
just made up but the if you read this

789
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,120
article it's just a great article

790
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:01,600
investigative article

791
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:04,159
napoleon hill was just a criminal

792
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,960
now

793
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,880
committed numerous criminal acts

794
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,360
throughout his life um and i don't want

795
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,600
to even go into it i mean i started i

796
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,799
knew i know you wanted to talk about

797
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,399
this so i started rereading the article

798
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,000
and i got like a third of the way

799
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,200
through i'm like i didn't want to read

800
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,880
this anymore this guy was just an out

801
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:20,080
and out

802
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,279
uh

803
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:22,399
scammer

804
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,520
is unfortunately

805
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,279
something but it's still a good book but

806
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:32,000
it's it's kind of he's a writer he's a

807
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,440
good yeah he's a good writer and he's

808
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,520
got some fantastic ideas which actually

809
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,399
make more sense when you realize he made

810
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,159
most of it up like for instance he has

811
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,559
the invisible council idea where like

812
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:44,399
you're meeting with all your all the

813
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,600
people you want to meet with in your

814
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,600
mind every night apparently that's how

815
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,960
he really wrote the book right because

816
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,799
none of that's real so he just made it

817
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,200
all up you know and i think as as novak

818
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,919
points out i mean he had another guy who

819
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:57,520
and you mentioned him in the email too

820
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,799
stone w clement stone yeah who who was

821
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,360
legit and who was legit is a great bet

822
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,279
much better law of attraction teacher or

823
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,799
let's not even use that term now you

824
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,559
don't have to you know i don't think

825
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:09,919
stone ever used that term law of

826
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,120
attraction w clement stone

827
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,760
is who people think napoleon hill is

828
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,760
this guy lived to be 100 he was born in

829
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,159
1902 he died in 2002 lives to be 100

830
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,480
years old uh

831
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,279
truly a great businessman donated

832
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,880
hundreds of millions of dollars in his

833
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,559
career you know there's a plenty of

834
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,640
stuff in his life that i disagree with

835
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,799
but was he a fantastic

836
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,200
uh proponent and

837
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,679
uh teacher of these principles of of you

838
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,320
know how to live a a truly rich life

839
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,880
absolutely and was napoleon hill that

840
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:45,039
absolutely not so a big big big

841
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,159
difference that more people should be

842
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,520
aware of

843
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,279
and the reason i guess it i think it

844
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,960
plays into this in a way that i kind of

845
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,320
wanted to talk to you about is i think

846
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:54,000
the whole cult thing is really

847
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,200
interesting

848
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,640
it's the law of the attraction thing too

849
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,480
i mean just i mean let's we'll

850
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,080
definitely go into sucks but

851
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,399
so unfortunately this hill example is

852
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,720
not uncommon with just what you see with

853
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,880
so much law of attraction stuff where

854
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,039
people follow blindly and just assume

855
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,720
that whatever the teacher is saying is

856
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,519
true

857
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,279
and it's really gullibility and you've

858
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,880
got a lot of teachers who just kind of

859
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,120
string people along and

860
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:20,320
i don't know i just don't

861
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,519
one reason that people don't like the

862
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,360
law of attraction leaves kind of a

863
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,640
bitter taste in their mouth they're like

864
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,399
that just doesn't seem

865
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,480
plausible but it's not the ideas that

866
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,840
aren't plausible it's how they're

867
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,559
presented in this fantastic

868
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,799
almost absurd and cultish way which you

869
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,080
know is what i think we're going to

870
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:37,919
touch upon

871
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,519
since you brought it up let's go right

872
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,840
there because there's this other

873
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,360
email

874
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,600
message that i got from you that i just

875
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,080
really really appreciated again it gets

876
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,679
back to this kind of zen and the

877
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,440
non-dual stuff

878
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,440
an open-eyed man

879
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:57,919
falling into a well

880
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,679
tell us tell us about that

881
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,440
i think that i mean that's a great you

882
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,039
know just zen

883
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,760
uh phrase

884
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:09,760
but that pertains to i think in general

885
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,190
spiritual practice or just the practice

886
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:16,880
of doing inner work and watching how

887
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,320
you're feeling where you think that you

888
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,240
are on the right path but then you

889
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,720
really can get shaken up and not know if

890
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:27,440
you're doing things correctly and

891
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,840
when you get used to

892
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,840
working with yourself you notice

893
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,440
yourself

894
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,519
you become more aware of oh i feel upset

895
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,360
now i feel like i'm overreacting now i

896
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,120
feel like i don't know what's going on

897
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,360
but you can kind of learn how to deal

898
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,799
with that

899
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,120
in a more composed way where you you

900
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,559
know when maybe perhaps when you were

901
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,640
younger you would have gotten upset at

902
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,240
yourself or gotten upset at other people

903
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,840
you can kind of ride the waves more

904
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,279
easily

905
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,200
but what often happens

906
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,480
when we're trying to apply law of

907
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,080
attraction principles into our life or

908
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,080
just spiritual principles into our life

909
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,799
to feel better and be a better person

910
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,720
is we'll be trying to do something and

911
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,399
we'll be trying maybe various techniques

912
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,080
whether it's like meditation or

913
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,120
affirmations or whatever it may be

914
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,640
and we'll we'll think we're kind of

915
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:14,159
getting somewhere doing something

916
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:15,279
correctly

917
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,630
we'll realize that we don't really know

918
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,240
what the hell we're doing

919
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,960
and that realization is

920
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,440
a deep realization and kind of makes you

921
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,960
realize that

922
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,320
like

923
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,240
what's going on is deeper than what

924
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,799
we're again aware of rationally and what

925
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:36,960
we're imagining in our mind it's like

926
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,559
you know when they talk about grace like

927
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,799
spiritual grace like that's like it's

928
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:42,480
kind of like that and that's very much a

929
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,549
you know you think you know and then you

930
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,000
you know the more you know the more you

931
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,320
realize you don't know anything i think

932
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,480
that's awesome i think it to me it also

933
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,720
relates on this other level that we're

934
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,760
talking about on the napoleon hill

935
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,360
law of attraction

936
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,640
tape your

937
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,880
land rover to your refrigerator so you

938
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,960
can get one in your front yard kind of

939
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,359
thing and the way it relates to me

940
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,000
is kind of this bouncing back and forth

941
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:14,639
between the spiritual and the

942
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,159
you know more practical kind of world

943
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,760
we all think we've become that open-eyed

944
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,399
monk you know we all think oh wow

945
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,639
now i get it

946
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,800
and then you find yourself in the well

947
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:31,040
and that's really the point of which you

948
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,079
got to go

949
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,760
you know one you can go oh my god how

950
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,679
did i get in a well everyone has lied to

951
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,280
me otherwise i never would have wound up

952
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:38,639
in this well

953
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:41,679
or as you're alluding to you can face

954
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,399
the

955
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,480
ultimate reality that you know what i

956
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,240
better climb out of this well and i

957
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,000
better get used to falling in wells

958
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:51,040
because no matter how wide open my eyes

959
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,079
are

960
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:53,919
falling in wells is just kind of part of

961
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:56,879
the thing i love this line that that is

962
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,920
in that email dispatch that you did

963
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,960
remaining calm and rational which i

964
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,320
think is really kind of an interesting

965
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,839
word to explore

966
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,839
amidst the inner

967
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:09,599
bafflement and i would add outer

968
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:12,079
bafflement too but remaining calm and

969
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,200
rational

970
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,040
and

971
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:16,480
like so much of the stuff we're talking

972
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,160
about here is irrational right because

973
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,680
it isn't the

974
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,440
you're a biological robot in a minus

975
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,680
universe that's rational go talk to neil

976
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,839
degrasse tyson he'll show you all the

977
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,480
scientific evidence how rational that is

978
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,400
and then go show them

979
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,560
cheryl lee black's

980
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:37,200
experiment on psychokinesis and you know

981
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,560
what he'll say oh that doesn't that

982
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,400
isn't there that didn't happen and it'd

983
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,800
be how can that be rational neil

984
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,480
it's right there in front of your eyes

985
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,119
well no it we we i know that's not what

986
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,960
i'm seeing because everything i know

987
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,720
tells me that is that can't be what i'm

988
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,880
seeing this is

989
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:55,040
this is falling in the well we're all

990
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:56,560
falling in the well

991
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,800
all the time napoleon hill i guarantee

992
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,119
you is i read

993
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,440
actually i read his life story

994
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,400
slightly differently yeah he's a scammer

995
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,640
yeah he's a con artist

996
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,720
but he's also the monk who's falling in

997
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,760
the well you know he he is going

998
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,560
someplace he's just continuing to fall

999
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,200
in this stupid well of being kind of a

1000
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,200
scammer what do you think about all that

1001
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,200
yeah i mean hill

1002
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,280
hill had a lot of troubles i will say

1003
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:30,480
that

1004
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:31,520
but

1005
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,520
new book that i released a few months

1006
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,920
ago the law of attraction simplified

1007
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,000
that's what it's about okay the title's

1008
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,000
a little bit misleading because there's

1009
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,960
nothing

1010
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,040
simple about what you just said and

1011
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:46,880
about the law of attraction in terms of

1012
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:50,079
actually applying it the process

1013
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:51,040
is

1014
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,000
you know

1015
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,280
and then falling in the well in the book

1016
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,599
i give the metaphor of you're riding a

1017
00:37:05,990 --> 00:36:58,560
horse

1018
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,000
and it keeps on happening again and

1019
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,960
again and again and it's learning how to

1020
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,720
be okay with that

1021
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,200
realizing that that's just the practical

1022
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,760
process of of living

1023
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,440
you know and

1024
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,000
it is the merging of this experiential

1025
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,760
feeling of

1026
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,079
okay this feels right i know i'm doing

1027
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,800
something right but it's just a feeling

1028
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,800
and this rational all right what's the

1029
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,800
best rational approach i can do now

1030
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,880
knowing what i know about myself how can

1031
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,640
i approach this

1032
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,440
in the best most sound way

1033
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,280
so it's a merging of a lot of different

1034
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,359
things you know and that's why a lot of

1035
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,280
folks say like you know manifesting what

1036
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,200
you want you know it

1037
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,960
it sounds easy

1038
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,520
to do but it's never easy you know and

1039
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,200
it when people say it is easy it

1040
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,960
sometimes i guess can be easy but that's

1041
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,800
not what should be expected and that's a

1042
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,040
big misconception about the whole thing

1043
00:38:03,750 --> 00:37:59,839
i i really like this synthesis that you

1044
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,760
do of the american mystics the american

1045
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,359
spirituality

1046
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:07,359
even if it's a reinterpretation of the

1047
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,320
east

1048
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,079
in some cases and we're willing to

1049
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,240
acknowledge that that's great but there

1050
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,480
is something american about it

1051
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,440
one of my favorite american yogi's is

1052
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,320
michael singer author of the surrender

1053
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,440
experiment and i i i just a little

1054
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,720
vignette i mean

1055
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,920
so

1056
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,880
singer

1057
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,640
if you if you read him and then if you

1058
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,800
look at those videos he'll he does this

1059
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,560
video series and it's like an eight-hour

1060
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,599
video series and it's all about just

1061
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,320
rational stuff it's like you know

1062
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,640
rational rational rational kind science

1063
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,720
based stuff we live on this tiny little

1064
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,000
planet why do you think you're so

1065
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,359
important you know

1066
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,440
kind of thing which which i like

1067
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
and he goes people are always hammering

1068
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,920
me for what's the advice what should i

1069
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,760
do and i'm sure you get this too this is

1070
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,839
all the time what should i do you know

1071
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,520
how should i tape the picture of the

1072
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,359
range rover on you know should i tape it

1073
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:01,280
this way or that how big you know like

1074
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,160
like

1075
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,320
and and his advice i love this and i say

1076
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:05,440
this people all the time and they don't

1077
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,440
get is it okay stop complaining about

1078
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:09,200
the weather

1079
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,320
realize how incredibly narcissistic

1080
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:18,400
we've all been trained to be

1081
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:26,950
our planet our sun the forces of wind

1082
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,400
and others should conform to it it's

1083
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,320
kind of a contradiction to the law of

1084
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,839
attraction right

1085
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:35,760
it's balancing

1086
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:36,560
this

1087
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:40,240
rationality and calmness of saying

1088
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,839
i am going to

1089
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,079
i all these worldly possessions i have

1090
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,400
are going to be gone things are not

1091
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,839
going to work out the way that i want

1092
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,160
because even if i think that they are

1093
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,079
kind of i can always think of a bunch of

1094
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,599
examples where they're not my kids

1095
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,040
aren't going to do what they what i want

1096
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,280
them to do maybe something terrible

1097
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,760
happened to them or me or well that's

1098
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:03,839
throwing a lot of ideas out there but

1099
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:06,319
how do we balance that

1100
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,000
stop complaining about the weather

1101
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,839
things aren't going to work out the way

1102
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:11,119
you think

1103
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,160
with

1104
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:15,680
law of attraction they balance perfectly

1105
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,680
the problem is that people have

1106
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,480
this superficial idea of what

1107
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,800
these law of attraction ideas are you

1108
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,200
know again the term law of attraction we

1109
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,520
could use other terms i can't think of

1110
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,200
a better term to use perhaps it's better

1111
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,280
to see say spiritual term you know i

1112
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,599
don't know it's a spiritual practice i

1113
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,200
will say

1114
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,920
since i got into these ideas

1115
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,920
i've become much less negative

1116
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:44,240
so you know my backgrounds and that is

1117
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,680
really zen

1118
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,920
which is can be pretty hard ass and

1119
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,280
there's definitely an aspect of me

1120
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,960
that's pretty hard ass when it comes to

1121
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,560
this stuff

1122
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:57,190
i now expect things to turn out pretty

1123
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,920
well

1124
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,240
most of the time and

1125
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,319
if i'm really

1126
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,720
working on myself

1127
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,280
it does seem like more things turn out

1128
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,720
better

1129
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,520
but inevitably life happens right and

1130
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,119
it's dealing with that there should not

1131
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,839
be a contradiction between

1132
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:18,079
law of attraction principles

1133
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,040
and

1134
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,800
these other spiritual traditions like

1135
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,800
what singers talking about the you know

1136
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,359
these eastern mystic traditions

1137
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,280
we should be able to put them all

1138
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,800
together and listen everybody's

1139
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,000
different people are going to put them

1140
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,839
together in different ways and some

1141
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,000
people as we were talking about early on

1142
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,359
are going to be doing this in like more

1143
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,119
of a quantum way and some people are

1144
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,720
going to be using

1145
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:40,000
you know

1146
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,359
they're going to look at it just through

1147
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,599
extra sensory perception or whatever you

1148
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,960
know and some people are going to do it

1149
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,920
in i don't know maybe just a purely like

1150
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,960
spiritual way um

1151
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,079
but it's about putting the stuff

1152
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:53,440
together and that's again where

1153
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:54,880
rationality

1154
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,839
plays a part more than i used to think

1155
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:59,440
you know i mean i

1156
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,119
i'm all about not thinking i'm all about

1157
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,960
not being serious but as i've gotten

1158
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,800
older and gotten more into these

1159
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,079
teachings

1160
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,319
i've realized that my rational mind is

1161
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:11,280
my great great ally and that a lot of my

1162
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:13,599
problems when i was younger

1163
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,520
uh was that wasn't rational enough

1164
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,800
people you know

1165
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,240
you want to talk about conspiracy

1166
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,560
culture doesn't want you to be rational

1167
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,319
because if you're rational and they say

1168
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,880
oh you know your life's meaningless

1169
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:29,040
but we still want you to work 40 50

1170
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,240
hours a week is something you don't like

1171
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,119
to do that's totally irrational

1172
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,960
if you're rational you're going to say

1173
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,960
well you know screw that i'm going to do

1174
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:38,079
something totally different i got

1175
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:45,990
yeah i i think we don't have to be as

1176
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,040
negative as we assume we have to be

1177
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:51,760
and that's my criticism of a lot of

1178
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,800
uh

1179
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,359
buddhist teachings and eastern teachings

1180
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,880
at least here in the west i don't know

1181
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,040
how it works actually in the east but in

1182
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,079
the west

1183
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,000
you know buddhism has become so popular

1184
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,079
mindfulness has become so popular and

1185
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,680
there's a lot of suffering and just

1186
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,599
frankly there that does not

1187
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,599
have to be put on your plate in regards

1188
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,520
to this stuff um

1189
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,200
if you're a mature and open-eyed person

1190
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,359
you're going to be able to handle these

1191
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,720
law of attraction teachings or whatever

1192
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,160
you want to call them without becoming

1193
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,520
this pollyannish you know goofball you

1194
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,280
know that that's just ridiculous you

1195
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,000
know um unfortunately i don't know if

1196
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,520
you want to talk about this or not an

1197
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,829
people don't want to do that they want

1198
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,960
to make comments on youtube and not

1199
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,760
really invest in themselves in terms of

1200
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,040
some of these deep principles that

1201
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,640
people like emil coulee are talking

1202
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:44,160
about so

1203
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,040
yeah

1204
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,440
there's well we could jump off on any of

1205
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,280
these topics and talk for

1206
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,640
another hour

1207
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,839
you know one of the first things that

1208
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,160
really attracted me to your work is the

1209
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,400
point that you just

1210
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,119
made there maybe because it's kind of my

1211
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,200
nature a little bit

1212
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,280
but you don't feel

1213
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,800
you're not reluctant to call

1214
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,400
where you see

1215
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,480
and i think that is

1216
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
unfortunately unfortunately part of this

1217
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:12,240
rational process

1218
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,040
and

1219
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,440
what you've called on which i

1220
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,520
really appreciate and think it needs to

1221
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,440
is a lot of these

1222
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:20,480
kind of

1223
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,480
fake westernized uh spiritual traditions

1224
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,119
that wind up just kind of

1225
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,280
rolling into very kind of cultish

1226
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,839
behavior and all the rest of that stuff

1227
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:33,280
not that

1228
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,440
our standard we old-time religion things

1229
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,000
aren't the same because they really are

1230
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,920
when you deconstruct them they're just a

1231
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,720
few generations down the road but that

1232
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,400
kind of leads me into this whole thing

1233
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,400
about uh cults

1234
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,319
and about because you know we talked

1235
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,280
about

1236
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,319
outstanding

1237
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,640
latest episode on your podcast little

1238
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,160
mini episode just seven eight minutes

1239
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,760
people go and listen to it check it out

1240
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,599
see if it's your kind of thing and it

1241
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,920
might propel you into tim's books which

1242
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,599
are very accessible

1243
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,800
very easy to read profoundly simple

1244
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,920
because i mean it sounds like

1245
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,760
really too simple and it sounds like

1246
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:15,839
he's kind of repeating this stuff

1247
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,359
but man it it it works it's very very

1248
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,200
effective i think

1249
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,960
strongly encourage anyone to check it

1250
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
out i i if you if you get it

1251
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,680
you'll love it you know if you get it

1252
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,280
all what he's saying you'll love it but

1253
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,680
here's the thing on the colts

1254
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,040
get your point

1255
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,240
we're all self-hypnotizing

1256
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,440
but tim

1257
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,200
would god at the same time in that

1258
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,319
rational thing recognize

1259
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,240
that some people have worked really hard

1260
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,480
on some mind control techniques

1261
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,800
that are super duper effective

1262
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,280
and it's as simple as

1263
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,319
advertising as news as

1264
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,839
you know

1265
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,280
facebook makes you want to do more

1266
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,480
facebook

1267
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,440
all the rest of that stuff two the very

1268
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,960
kind of things that we normally think of

1269
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,720
with cults you know i i've interviewed

1270
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,440
at least two cult members on this show

1271
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,280
depending on you know how you define

1272
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,960
that might be a guy who was in the

1273
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,960
moonies for 30 years

1274
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,720
30 years remember the moonies you know

1275
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,720
people who forget you know like these

1276
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,040
massive weddings where he's he

1277
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,480
this guy is this crazy freaking

1278
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,160
korean guy

1279
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,040
who isn't totally crazy because he's

1280
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:29,680
kind of fun but he i'm god

1281
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,599
i'm god and you know i the word of mine

1282
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,640
is divine and i'm pure and jesus is you

1283
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,480
know jesus was good and i'm all for

1284
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,400
jesus but you know i really got the word

1285
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,720
here this is stuff that you would just

1286
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,319
sit back and go this doesn't make any

1287
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,359
sense and for this guy 30 years

1288
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440
you talk to him he's an awesome guy he

1289
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,760
just passed away actually before we even

1290
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,480
got his interview up awesome guy

1291
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,400
extremely intelligent

1292
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,520
extremely effective at deconstructing

1293
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:00,880
the moonies

1294
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,480
and revealing some of the very very

1295
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,440
shady political you know arms dealing

1296
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,040
you know

1297
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:11,119
connections political connections and

1298
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:12,560
all that stuff

1299
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,079
but ed

1300
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:16,800
he didn't lose that core essence of his

1301
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,079
spirituality that of course i am in some

1302
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,160
way connected to

1303
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,640
something greater and i might have spun

1304
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,880
my wheels for 30 years but that

1305
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,480
connection is still there and the other

1306
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,040
guy i think of is an ex-scientologist

1307
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,760
and he isn't he's no longer connected

1308
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,960
the only way he could deal with

1309
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,599
the self-hypnosis that led him into a

1310
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:42,880
cult scientology and kept him in a cult

1311
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,480
was to say okay then there's nothing

1312
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,839
there's it's it's all fake it's all you

1313
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,680
know the kind of total cynical kind of

1314
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,720
thing so a lot to cover there it's

1315
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:56,880
really about i guess my topic really or

1316
00:48:03,030 --> 00:47:59,680
my question really is about mind control

1317
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,040
about how rationality uh

1318
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,599
plays into that and how the

1319
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,160
the wide-eyed monk which means i'm still

1320
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,240
connected monk means i'm still connected

1321
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,640
to the source i haven't shut that down

1322
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,559
but my eyes are open to me that's the

1323
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,800
rational part so

1324
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:18,160
how do you think that relates to the

1325
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,069
there's a lot to unpack there because

1326
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,319
you made a lot of interesting points

1327
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:27,680
i would say something that a lot of

1328
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,599
people don't recognize and this is just

1329
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,790
i've long said that if you want to

1330
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,160
really get

1331
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,920
deep about it

1332
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,480
and really contemplate it

1333
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,800
the source or god or whatever you want

1334
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,280
to call it that deep spiritual nature

1335
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,640
thing like that direct connection

1336
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,640
has absolutely nothing to do with what

1337
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,280
you're doing in your life

1338
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,680
for good or bad

1339
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:57,520
there's no connection actually in my

1340
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,640
opinion in many ways so this is this is

1341
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:03,200
new a nuanced point it's hard to explain

1342
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,920
but

1343
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,400
what i mean is

1344
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,240
when we're talking about improving our

1345
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,880
life right and using these various very

1346
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:12,640
practical law of attraction techniques

1347
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,349
in a weird way it has nothing to do with

1348
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,640
that the deepest spiritual part of us

1349
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,319
and there's all these

1350
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,760
you just gave two examples there's all

1351
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,599
these great examples osha or you know

1352
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:30,640
raj is a great example um that a lot of

1353
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,319
people know because you know you read

1354
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,440
uh

1355
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:37,440
remind people remind people who who he

1356
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:38,319
is

1357
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,640
70s became really really big and uh

1358
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,720
you know internationally basically you

1359
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,400
know and but just

1360
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,559
led basically a criminal organization

1361
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,400
when all of a sudden done while while a

1362
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,160
country is a good documentary that

1363
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:58,079
explains it that's why i think a lot of

1364
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:59,200
listeners

1365
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,319
might have watched that if they haven't

1366
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,160
it's a wonderful documentary to get so

1367
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,680
he builds the big he builds the big

1368
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,160
ashram in oregon he's famous for driving

1369
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,079
20 rolls royces which he bought with

1370
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,599
everyone's money and so

1371
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,440
kind of in your face screw you stupid

1372
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,880
people exactly you're working you're

1373
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,040
working digging potatoes i have 20 rolls

1374
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,880
royces and doing it and then all the

1375
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,400
guns and all this stuff like you say in

1376
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,160
the documentary then he winds up

1377
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,240
poisoning all these people yeah you know

1378
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:23,920
and attempt to kind of political the

1379
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,720
classic classic cult move you know

1380
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,720
perfect perfect example of a

1381
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,720
very prominent cult and really the movie

1382
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:32,079
honestly is just like the tip of the

1383
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,200
iceberg because i've read some of the

1384
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:35,520
books about it like it's wild

1385
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,559
but my the point is that

1386
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:41,200
if you read or see some of videos of him

1387
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:42,720
talking or read some of his teachings

1388
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,240
you're like holy this guy gets it

1389
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,200
like this guy is a deep spiritual dude

1390
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,000
he's a criminal

1391
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,440
and it's kind of like that brings us

1392
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,280
back to napoleon hill napoleon hill for

1393
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,400
all his flaws for all me knocking him

1394
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,400
he probably did have something he maybe

1395
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,079
was connected to the source in some way

1396
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,319
but like osho is an explicit example i

1397
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,079
mean you can just if you

1398
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,400
don't see the videos just read there's

1399
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,400
this great book of

1400
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,240
his followers did of his it's like

1401
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:14,000
considered his autobiography it's called

1402
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,119
like

1403
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,200
ramblings of an irreverent man or

1404
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,920
spiritual man some great title

1405
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,200
you read that stuff you're like this is

1406
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,680
just spectacular this is good as any zen

1407
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,839
you know modern zen teacher or anything

1408
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,319
you know and you would have no idea of

1409
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,000
what this guy was like a gun runner and

1410
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,319
had all you know was just leading this

1411
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,720
insane cult you'd have no idea so it's

1412
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,800
like there's in a way there's there's no

1413
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,720
connection and i think it's our choice

1414
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,480
and our responsibility

1415
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:41,839
you know you talk about the moral

1416
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:44,079
imperative or whatever

1417
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,280
to do good

1418
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,200
to do unto others you know and that's

1419
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,359
what i love about a lot of the great law

1420
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,280
of attraction teachers emil coe joseph

1421
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,520
murphy people like that because it's so

1422
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,839
clearly just about practically being a

1423
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,720
good person and being rewarded for being

1424
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,599
a good person because like you

1425
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,520
feel better because you're helping more

1426
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,920
people it that seems very

1427
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,760
natural and right

1428
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,599
you know it just seems

1429
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,960
it seems right

1430
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,040
but can it go the other way absolutely

1431
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,720
and i mean there's

1432
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,400
i don't mean to just be riffing on osha

1433
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,079
but like there's some incredible videos

1434
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,000
of osho too you really like you'll watch

1435
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,760
him there's this video of him near the

1436
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,760
end of his life

1437
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,839
it comes into the rolls royce there's

1438
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,839
all this insane music going really good

1439
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,760
music like you know and he goes into the

1440
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,599
hall and there's a little music's

1441
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,800
incredible

1442
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,880
and he's just sitting there looking out

1443
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,319
it's like a 20 minute video just sitting

1444
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,319
there looking out doesn't say a

1445
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:40,480
word

1446
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,599
know they're their pants you

1447
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,200
know and having orgasms they can't

1448
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,520
believe it's revelation it doesn't say a

1449
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,160
word does this crazy half bow a couple

1450
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,720
times just spectacular

1451
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,640
it gets in the rolls royce and leaves

1452
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,720
you know it's like it's theatrical it's

1453
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,960
theater

1454
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,880
but that guy had something

1455
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,720
you know so that's

1456
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:04,240
i think that touches a little bit upon

1457
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,280
what you were saying

1458
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,400
or or tim i i i just don't want to pass

1459
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,359
by

1460
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,920
the first point that you said

1461
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,520
because

1462
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,280
i i just hadn't heard it before or

1463
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,440
hadn't heard it expressed that way i

1464
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,119
think it has it's something i'm going to

1465
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,359
have to really mull on mull over but

1466
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,880
it has the potential of kind of taking

1467
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,160
us in a number of different directions

1468
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,680
and that is that

1469
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,160
you know that ultimate source

1470
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,520
again if you apply rationality to it

1471
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:35,599
there has to be a certain amount of

1472
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,720
distance and disinterest between that

1473
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,960
source and us and again i'm trying to

1474
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,920
take and rephrase it in just a very

1475
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,319
practical way i mean there is the

1476
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,079
tsunami that kills 250 000 people

1477
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,040
there is the holocaust there is the hit

1478
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,319
killing fields there is slavery in the

1479
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,920
united states

1480
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,319
when you know

1481
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:03,040
the the the local pastor and priests are

1482
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,160
coming over to dinner with the

1483
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,319
slaveholders and being served by the

1484
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,640
slaves and going hey buddy

1485
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,480
fill up my cup here what's what's up

1486
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,160
with this you know what i mean

1487
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,000
so

1488
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,720
we are on a stage we are playing out

1489
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,079
these roles

1490
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,880
maybe the roles we don't understand why

1491
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,200
we're given the role of

1492
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,839
the cult leader and are we supposed to

1493
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,680
overcome that or are we supposed to give

1494
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:29,680
in to that to play it out for other

1495
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,559
people but i think there is from a

1496
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,440
rational perspective there has to be a

1497
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,200
fundamental truth to what you're

1498
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,359
speculating about that

1499
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,680
our connection to the source

1500
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,000
doesn't really matter in terms of what

1501
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,520
we're supposed to do here is that what i

1502
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,079
hear you saying what we actually do yep

1503
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,920
yep it's irrelevant i say the beginning

1504
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,480
of the joy of not thinking the truth is

1505
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,319
blinding

1506
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,240
it blinds you every time if when you

1507
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,920
really you know when

1508
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,839
you really get hit by it that's it's

1509
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,200
impossible to word it but that's you

1510
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:06,710
yeah it's way beyond good or bad or any

1511
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,640
anything it's just there and that's god

1512
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,119
and whatever happens is irrelevant

1513
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,960
in that way if we get really deep you

1514
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,839
know

1515
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,520
and so all this practical stuff we're

1516
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,280
talking about is almost unrelated so

1517
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,960
yeah i mean really there's there's part

1518
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,119
of me that likes to just talk about this

1519
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,599
that depth right like that real depth

1520
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:27,599
that fascinates me

1521
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,359
but it doesn't get you anywhere and

1522
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,440
that's the point i mean like it's like

1523
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,960
and so then it's kind of like what what

1524
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,720
do you do with it you know and in my

1525
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,160
opinion and i have more and more

1526
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,559
conviction as the years pass you do

1527
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,400
something good with it like don't get so

1528
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,079
philosophical oh we could do i could be

1529
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:44,000
bad i could be good no that do the

1530
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,000
right thing don't be an idiot

1531
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,280
you know i don't mean to use stern

1532
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,599
language but like that's like

1533
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:51,119
what people need to hear a lot of the

1534
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,079
time because people get too

1535
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,400
philosophical about it no do the right

1536
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,319
thing how would you like to be treated

1537
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,000
if you were treated like that would you

1538
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,520
like it yes or no

1539
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,280
because that you know that's the common

1540
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
sense element but does is it

1541
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,599
does it have to do with ultimate reality

1542
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:06,960
you know

1543
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,599
no and a an issue just to quickly bring

1544
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,119
it back to the law of attraction too

1545
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:13,119
much law of attraction teaching makes it

1546
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,960
seem like it has to do with ultimate

1547
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,720
reality okay that's my criticism with

1548
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,400
most of it including someone like joseph

1549
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,400
murphy or neville goddard two teachers

1550
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,280
that i love they make it seem like it

1551
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,359
your behavior directly

1552
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,880
has to do with the source in that way

1553
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,440
maybe there's some moral element perhaps

1554
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,119
while

1555
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,720
in my opinion there's not it's just your

1556
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,480
you know there's no right or wrong it's

1557
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,240
just god is right i am that i am you

1558
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,160
know and it's just uh

1559
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,359
it blows you away awesome awesome stuff

1560
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,119
tim what are you working on these days i

1561
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,839
know you're you're always for as much of

1562
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,079
a guy who's kind of checking out you

1563
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,359
know you're just working away there

1564
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,040
well i'm working on just the normal you

1565
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,720
know the normal family stuff first of

1566
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,559
all you know just just trying to to live

1567
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,960
a decent life that's always the big

1568
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,200
priority but work wise yeah i mean this

1569
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,079
new podcast the intention was to make it

1570
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,559
low key and not to do it that often so

1571
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,240
once i uh

1572
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,359
once you get going with it there's

1573
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:15,440
probably going to be weekly episodes um

1574
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,960
but for right now there's a couple a

1575
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,799
couple new episodes a week

1576
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,000
and um

1577
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,839
like i said if

1578
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,440
if you want my take on a lot of these

1579
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,040
law of attraction teachings the law of

1580
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,720
attraction simplified

1581
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,599
is the book that i released recently

1582
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,119
and i'm working on a new book that's

1583
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,040
very practically based just dealing with

1584
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,440
stress reduction um

1585
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,480
about finances and stuff like that so

1586
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,400
you know i try to keep it fresh i like

1587
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,559
to always have my hand in a couple

1588
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,160
different projects at once so if i get

1589
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
bored with one i can

1590
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,520
share something else with somebody else

1591
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:49,040
you're not gonna tee up the next one

1592
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,720
that's out there a few months you can

1593
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,880
leave it off that's fine no i just don't

1594
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:55,040
really know what the heck it exactly is

1595
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:56,319
going to be yet except it's going to be

1596
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,480
very practical you said something about

1597
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:00,400
quilting come on yes something about

1598
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,559
very something something christmasy

1599
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,720
no i'm just uh yeah no the next thing i

1600
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,319
think is going to have to do let me give

1601
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,160
you guys a teaser because we have to do

1602
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,559
a giving

1603
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,160
you know because that's i think

1604
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,599
something that is

1605
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,000
almost innate in us there's there's a

1606
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:20,160
joy of giving

1607
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,040
and

1608
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:23,839
we are told that that's not the case by

1609
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,720
a large part of society and i

1610
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,720
disagree with that i think the idea of

1611
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,079
giving

1612
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,720
is an inherent part of our makeup

1613
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,880
probably from like an evolutionary and

1614
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,880
physiological perspective as well as a

1615
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,599
mental perspective of whatever

1616
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,280
so uh yeah it's gonna have to do with

1617
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,799
that as opposed to quilting i think

1618
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,799
sorry to disappoint people

1619
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,400
great great

1620
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,200
our guest again has been tim grimes

1621
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,680
you can check them out on amazon all

1622
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,839
those books law of attraction simplified

1623
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:56,079
is the new one tim reminded us of

1624
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,520
but there's a bunch of other ones up

1625
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:59,359
there and be sure to check out the new

1626
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:01,359
podcast as well

1627
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,119
always so great to connect with you and

1628
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:07,119
that's why i had to get you back on your

1629
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,359
you're just such an awesome awesome

1630
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,599
great work great work you

1631
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:13,839
you deserve to be famous so thanks for

1632
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,720
coming out

1633
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,400
thank you for having me alex it's always

1634
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,520
it's like i said it's just it's fun to

1635
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:21,119
you know riff on these tops because most

1636
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,240
people don't even want to talk about

1637
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:24,000
this stuff you know they uh they usually

1638
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,520
won't have me on law of attraction shows

1639
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,040
because they everybody's afraid of what

1640
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,799
i'm gonna say so

1641
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:30,960
glad glad to be in a free speech space

1642
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,910
thanks again to tim grimes for joining

1643
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,079
me today on skeptico the one question

1644
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,319
i'd have to tee up from this interview

1645
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,680
is this one

1646
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:46,880
is reality hypnotizing us

1647
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,640
are we hypnotized by reality follow my

1648
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,520
voice as i hypnotize myself

1649
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,119
anyway i think it'd be a great one to

1650
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,040
kick around i'm looking for some new

1651
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,599
options for connecting with people i'm

1652
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:02,240
thinking about telegram if anyone

1653
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,760
knows about that i'm looking at some

1654
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,000
other options as well so let me know if

1655
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,079
you have any thoughts about that but the

1656
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:09,839
main thing is let me know your thoughts

1657
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:12,640
about how we create a community around

1658
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,599
these ideas and share these ideas with

1659
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:17,839
other people because i love doing that

1660
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,040
it's fun so thanks for joining me

1661
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,280
so so glad you're here learned so much

1662
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:26,079
from so many of you over the years

1663
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:27,760
thanks for being here

1664
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:30,640
until next time take care and bye for

1665
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:32,390
now